Comments on: Jesus, the Church Planting Failure? (Intro) http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/ A theology and culture blog with the Bible in one tab and a news feed in the other. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:49:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Zane Anderson http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/#comment-139 Zane Anderson Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:02:06 +0000 #comment-139 Hey Ed,<br /> <br /> True words. Jesus never planted a church nor did any apostle. I realize that comes as a big shock but it's true.<br /> <br /> The moment anything other than planting the gospel, aka evangelism, takes the ascendency, we have created an unscriptural, unsanctioned institution.<br /> <br /> Christians simply meet as the church, the true institution which Jesus is building or adding to - not being planted here and there.<br /> <br /> Thank you for a fresh look at this matter!<br /> <br /> <a href="<a href="http://housechurch.org">http://housechurch.org</a>">House Church Network</a> Hey Ed,

True words. Jesus never planted a church nor did any apostle. I realize that comes as a big shock but it’s true.

The moment anything other than planting the gospel, aka evangelism, takes the ascendency, we have created an unscriptural, unsanctioned institution.

Christians simply meet as the church, the true institution which Jesus is building or adding to - not being planted here and there.

Thank you for a fresh look at this matter!

<a href="http://housechurch.org">House Church Network</a>

]]> By: Ed http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/#comment-137 Ed Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:16:23 +0000 #comment-137 Thanks Grace, glad you're tracking with me. <br /> <br /> Bob, I thought you were looking at my post in from the "wrong perspective." Yeah, 120 may be OK in Vermont, but in the birthplace of 3 major religions??? <br /> <br /> I should mention that I read the qualifications for church planters with a certain organization, was kind of shocked, and then this series of posts came to mind. Thanks Grace, glad you’re tracking with me.

Bob, I thought you were looking at my post in from the "wrong perspective." Yeah, 120 may be OK in Vermont, but in the birthplace of 3 major religions???

I should mention that I read the qualifications for church planters with a certain organization, was kind of shocked, and then this series of posts came to mind.

]]> By: bob http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/#comment-136 bob Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:42:59 +0000 #comment-136 ahhh... it becomes clear. Yes, by modern evangelical standards, Jesus' church plant wasn't quite up to snuff.<br /> <br /> "You've been going for three years and you only have 120 people???"<br /> <br /> :) ahhh… it becomes clear. Yes, by modern evangelical standards, Jesus’ church plant wasn’t quite up to snuff.

"You’ve been going for three years and you only have 120 people???"

:)

]]> By: grace http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/#comment-135 grace Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:00:20 +0000 #comment-135 I'm looking forward to what you have to say here, and I believe you are making an important point. I’m looking forward to what you have to say here, and I believe you are making an important point.

]]> By: Ed http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/#comment-134 Ed Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:46 +0000 #comment-134 Right. But did Jesus start an "institution" with paid staff, formal training, seminary requirements, buildings, etc.? When you apply to become a church planter, you are required to do a lot of things that Jesus never did. <br /> <br /> Jesus planted "the church", but our modern definitions for what a church is, in many circles, does not match up. Remember, this is a satire. I'm writing is if I'm a modern day church planter giving Jesus advice on how to plant a "real" church. What Jesus left and what we plant are very different in many ways, even if you can point to some similarities. <br /> <br /> They both may really be a church, but if I went and did the same thing Jesus did, some would say that I did not plant a church correctly. While we agree with some of what Jesus did, many other parts the Church he left do not line up with conventional church planting wisdom. That's where the satire is going. Right. But did Jesus start an "institution" with paid staff, formal training, seminary requirements, buildings, etc.? When you apply to become a church planter, you are required to do a lot of things that Jesus never did.

Jesus planted "the church", but our modern definitions for what a church is, in many circles, does not match up. Remember, this is a satire. I’m writing is if I’m a modern day church planter giving Jesus advice on how to plant a "real" church. What Jesus left and what we plant are very different in many ways, even if you can point to some similarities.

They both may really be a church, but if I went and did the same thing Jesus did, some would say that I did not plant a church correctly. While we agree with some of what Jesus did, many other parts the Church he left do not line up with conventional church planting wisdom. That’s where the satire is going.

]]> By: bob http://inamirrordimly.com/2006/01/11/jesus-the-church-planting-failure-intro/#comment-133 bob Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:57 +0000 #comment-133 I don't know, man... not to rain on your parade, but 120 sitting in an upper rorom together, committed to prayer, taking care of each other, listening to the Apostles, particularly Peter who had been told "feed my sheep"...<br /> <br /> sounds like a church!<br /> <br /> And boy did they grow... I don’t know, man… not to rain on your parade, but 120 sitting in an upper rorom together, committed to prayer, taking care of each other, listening to the Apostles, particularly Peter who had been told "feed my sheep"…

sounds like a church!

And boy did they grow…

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