Comments on: Developing a Vocabulary of the Holy Spirit: How We Are Saved http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/ An imperfect and sometimes sarcastic perspective on following Jesus by Ed Cyzewski. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:59:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ed http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-3585 ed Mon, 17 May 2010 14:15:42 +0000 http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/#comment-3585 Jeremy, I'll have to think about that idea of possession. The concept of influence and Lordship is important with the Holy Spirit, but I wonder if possession makes our roles too passive? it could be a helpful concept in driving home the power of the Holy Spirit, and there are times when the Spirit does assert his presence in powerful ways. However, we can still resist the Spirit and sin, and that's where the possession idea doesn't quite connect for me. I hope that helps. Christian, That's certainly a big concept to grapple with. Classic Christianity teachings that God is a trinity. Each member of the trinity is fully God, but also distinct. Once we start using words like "entity" or "substance," we run into the debates that flared up in the early church, but in some mysterious way God is one, but also three persons: The Father, Son, and Spirit. So if you read the Gospels, Jesus often speaks of the Father's will and testimony. At other times we read that Jesus is full of the Spirit or empowered by the Spirit. However, there are other times when Jesus makes it clear that he is fully God. It's a mystery, but we have to accept God on his terms and accept that mystery. Thanks for asking! Jeremy,
I’ll have to think about that idea of possession. The concept of influence and Lordship is important with the Holy Spirit, but I wonder if possession makes our roles too passive? it could be a helpful concept in driving home the power of the Holy Spirit, and there are times when the Spirit does assert his presence in powerful ways. However, we can still resist the Spirit and sin, and that’s where the possession idea doesn’t quite connect for me. I hope that helps.

Christian, That’s certainly a big concept to grapple with. Classic Christianity teachings that God is a trinity. Each member of the trinity is fully God, but also distinct. Once we start using words like “entity” or “substance,” we run into the debates that flared up in the early church, but in some mysterious way God is one, but also three persons: The Father, Son, and Spirit.

So if you read the Gospels, Jesus often speaks of the Father’s will and testimony. At other times we read that Jesus is full of the Spirit or empowered by the Spirit. However, there are other times when Jesus makes it clear that he is fully God. It’s a mystery, but we have to accept God on his terms and accept that mystery. Thanks for asking!

]]> By: Christian Vendor Space http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-3580 Christian Vendor Space Mon, 17 May 2010 08:58:22 +0000 http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/#comment-3580 I was born and raised as Christian. But something really bothers me ever since but never had the chance to ask anyone. The Holy Spirit and our Lord, are they the same, but in different form? I was born and raised as Christian. But something really bothers me ever since but never had the chance to ask anyone. The Holy Spirit and our Lord, are they the same, but in different form?

]]> By: Jeremy http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-3568 Jeremy Fri, 14 May 2010 19:59:53 +0000 http://inamirrordimly.com/2010/05/14/developing-a-vocabulary-of-the-holy-spirit-how-we-are-saved/#comment-3568 This may or may not have anything to do with what you are writing about here - I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to say - but what you say reminds me of something I heard Beth Moore say one time. I don't remember which study of hers it was that I was doing at the time, but she talked about the Holy Spirit in us being like a possession. I always thought of possession only occurring when evil spirits possessed us, like those that Jesus expelled in the stories in the Gospels. But if you think about the wording in the New Testament of having the Holy Spirit within us, I guess it truly is being "possessed" of the Holy Spirit. Thoughts? This may or may not have anything to do with what you are writing about here – I’m not knowledgeable enough in this area to say – but what you say reminds me of something I heard Beth Moore say one time. I don’t remember which study of hers it was that I was doing at the time, but she talked about the Holy Spirit in us being like a possession. I always thought of possession only occurring when evil spirits possessed us, like those that Jesus expelled in the stories in the Gospels. But if you think about the wording in the New Testament of having the Holy Spirit within us, I guess it truly is being “possessed” of the Holy Spirit.

Thoughts?

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